"She did not understand that there was no such thing as happiness, that the only victory lay in the far future, long after you were dead, that from the moment of declaring war on the Party it was better to think of yourself as a corpse." (113)
"She was very young, he thought, she still expected something from life, she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." (112)
Revolution anyone? Winston thinks older people are more likely to rebel because they remember how it used to be, but maybe younger people are more likely to rebel because they haven't given up yet.
"The rocket bombs crashed oftener than ever..." (123)
Oftener? Really? Is Orwell narrating in Newspeak now?
Ya! I noticed that too Em.
"When you make love you're using up energy; and afterwards you feel happy and don't give a damn for anything. They can't bear you to feel like that. They want you to be bursting with energy all the time. All this marching up and down and cheering and waving flags is simply sex gone sour. If you're happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother and the Three-Year Plans and the Two Minutes Hate and all the rest of their bloody rot?"
"She had become a physical necessity,something that he not only wanted but felt that he had a right to." pg.115
"The paperweight was the room he was in, and the coral was Julia's life and his own, fixed in a sort of eternity at the heart of the crystal." page 122
This could be some foreshadowing to the length of their relationship. Also, awwwwwww(:
I thought that was so cute. If only that was actually possible...
Also, I agree. It could be a possible foreshadowing. Maybe not about their future relationship but something else. Possibly what they can't have and we are going to find some altercation they will come across.
Part 2, chapter 5
"She only questioned the teachings of the Party when they in some way touched upon her own life. Often she was ready to accept the official mythology, simply because the difference between truth and falsehood did not seem important to her."
"'That's what I like about it. It's a little chunk of history that they've forgotten to alter. It's a message from a hundred years ago, if no one knew how to read it.'" (pg. 121)
This was when Winston was talking about the paper weight. I think this provides hope of figuring out the past.
"That's what I like about it. It's a little chunk of history that they've forgotten to alter. It's a message from a hundred years ago, if one knew how to read it." p 121
“There was a direct, intimate connection between chastity and political orthodoxy. For how could the fear, the hatred, and the lunatic credulity which the Party needed in its members be kept at the right pitch, except by bottling down some powerful instinct and using it as a driving force?” Page 111
"A new poster had suddenly appeared all over London. It had no caption, and represented simply the monstrous figure of a Eurasian soldier, three or four meters high, striding forward with expressionless Mongolian face and enormous boots, a submachine gun pointed from his hip."
I didn't understand why this poster was appearing all of a sudden. Maybe I'm just confused, but I thought they hated the Eurasians. Why would they put up posters everywhere of people they hate?
The posters are for Hate Week which in the book is in a few weeks. The Party hopes that by seeing the posters it will give members of the Party and even the proles sense of nationalism because they know they can defeat whatever hated figure was on the poster, either a Eurasian soldier or Goldstein.
Sorry! Ignore my last post, I like this quote better :)
"They can't do that," she said finally. "It's the one thing they can't do. They can make you say anything -- anything -- but they can't make you believe it. They can't get inside you."
"The proles had stayed human. They had not become hardened inside. They had held onto the primitive emotions which he himself had to relearn by conscious effort. And in thinking this he remembered, without apparent relevance, how a few weeks ago he had seen a severed hand lying on the pavement and he had kicked it into the gutter as though it had been a cabbage stalk." page 137
"But if the object was not to stay alive but to stay human, what difference did it ultimately make? They could not alter your feelings; for that matter you could not alter them yourself, even if you wanted to. They could lay bare in the utmost detail everything that you had or said or thought; but the inner heart, whose workings were mysterious even to yourself, remained impregnable."
The party can torture you into doing anything except change your feelings, which nobody understands.
"The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself,'just to keep people frightened.'"
I too found this to be a rather interesting quote. I think that it's one thing to brainwash your entire country, but then to keep them afraid at all times seems a little much. Even for a super-communist society.
"The room was a world, a pocket of the past where extinct animals could walk." pg. 124
The author starts to refer to the people who can actually think for themsevles as animals and the others are just brainwashed robots.
"History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right."
This basically sums up the what the party is doing in two sentences... I thought it was perfect.
Not a quote but just a thought.
How can Julia and Winstons love be so strong that they have the courage to say that even though they might be tortured they will never stop loving each other? All the other citizens must have been in love at one point but they know that relationships are not based on love. This is just a weird fact. They are not supposed to be in "love" I thought. I thought relationships were basically all business.
(I might have messed this whole concept up.... (: oops.)
Not entirely, just mostly... just kidding; however, I agree with you. Their relationships are supposed to be all business so by being in love, it is just another one of Winstons ways he has defied the government in this book. If there isn't a revolution and he's really just a rule-breaking punk, I'm going to be very disappointed.
Yeah, I definitely agree. Did anyone else find it a bit outlandish or bizarre the way Julia handles the rebellion? I don't understand their "love" or their sexual affair either. Maybe it may just be men in general, but it creeps me out that Winston was aroused or his attraction to her heightened after she was all like, "pshh. I've done this a bunch of times. & nah, I do this to kind of relieve myself. Not into the whole mainstream or rebellion thing." (cough, hipster)
If you can feel that staying human is worth while, even when it can't have any result whatever, you've beaten them.
The party assumes authority by dehumanizing its people. If you can remain human then the party is essentially beaten.
"She would not accept it as a law of nature that the individual is always defeated." (112)
Maybe Julia will spark a revolution to disprove Winston's statement.
"Never go home the same way as you went out," she said, as though enunciating an important general principle. (106)
I absolutely love this quote. Not only can it apply to the rebellion but it can also apply to everyone's life in general. We want to leave this world "leaving our footprints in the sands of time" (..that's from that beyonce song).
"The proles are human beings," he said aloud. "We are not human."
"They were passing in silence down a side street... when there was a deafening roar, the earth heaved and the air darkened, and Winston found himself lying on his side, bruised and terrified. A rocket bomb must have dropped quite near at hand.Suddenly he became aware of Julia's face a few centimeters from his own, deathly white, as white as chalk. Even her lips were white. She was dead! He clasped her against him, and found he was kissing a live warm face." pg 107
From the context this was in it was extremely confusing. Is this metaphorical or did it really happen?? It's hard to comprehend.
"it was curious how that predestined horror moved in and out of one's consciousness. There it lay, fixed in future time, preceding death as surely as 99 precedes 100. One could not avoid it, but one could perhaps postpone it: and yet instead, every now and again, by a conscious, willful act, one chose to shorten the interval before it happened." pg 116
"It was all nonsense, as they both knew. In reality there was no escape. Even the one plan that was practicable, suicide, they had no intention of carrying out. To hang on from day to day and from week to week, spinning out a present that had no future, seemed an unconquerable instinct, just as one's lungs will always draw the next breath so long as there is air available." pg 126
"Syme had vanished. A morning came, and he was missing from work; a few thoughtless people commented on his absence. On the next day nobody mentioned him." (122)
"Nothing holds it together except an idea which is indestructible." page 145
Write something about yourself. No need to be fancy, just an overview.